IDEA: obtain a small oil cooler radiator such as is used on VW engines. about 6×10 inches. Focus your Fresnel on that small area. Then use photovoltaic to run a small 12V pump and pump water to the radiator slowly, so that when the water enters the radiator it turns to steam instantly. Use a check valve so the process go’s one way. Then run the steam through your coil to condense the steam. Then you can really throw the heat onto the radiator, maybe to 500plus degrees. I bet that would shred!
That would be the right idea. I had several back yard beer guys ask about boiling 5 gallons for their mix. This was to show the challenge of doing that much water.
Let me understand… your goal is to desalinate water right? Why do 5 gallons at a time? I’d do 1 gallon at a time with some kind of drip feeder… and I’d put the water in a copper coil so that it boils MUCH faster… and much safer!
Your desalination strategy is bad. The boiling point increases as you boil down your batch, while thermodynamic efficiency drops.
Try a more natural approach - a vacuum over the tank will lower the vapor pressure of water, thus yielding more water vapor per heat input. Then, capture the water vapor with a cooler-condenser - one of those nifty Peltier deals could drive that.
Desalination is a messy sport, since the salt tends to crust and clog everything.
the efficiency problems I see:
- there is no insulation,
- I think it would be better if the condensing coil was always going down so the water doesn’t get “stuck” in the middle of the coil.
do you think it would be possible to make a wind powered desalinisator: use a wind mill (like the one used for pumping bore water) to pump salt water to a high tank, let’s say 10m high, and use a reverse osmosis filter at ground level to desalinate water
I was thinking about balanced reservoirs… as the water moved from the dirty tank(morning side) evaporated into the clean tank (afternoon side)it could move the tanks and the fresnel lens on a heliocentric arc so that the sun’s focus would always be in the ’sweet spot’.
No sun for awhile? Pump clean water, auto fill bobber pump, into the ‘clean side’ so that the balance would always be there and when the sun did come out, you’d have evaporation again. A solar machine with a water balance!
I was going to say that. You lose way to much heat trying to boil it all at once. Boiling smaller amounts, you could probably distill the whole thing with 1 fresnel lens.
Yes, but steaming smaller volumes is way more efficient. I am working on a concept to steam 20 gallons a day using three methods combined. This was just to see if 5 gallons was possible all at one time.
hey man have you done any tests/estimates on how long it would take to get through the whole 5 gallons.. it looks like you could do that in a day or maybe 2.. from the video.
thats quite a lot of clean water from a small space if you had this thing running day after day.
That’s easy!!
Technologically, but not labor wise.
Observe:
you raise the tamp of water to about 180F to no more than 190F, (stirring can help the process)
most “spirits” will boil off before water.
That’s how you make Tequila Compadre!! or whiskey pardner!
let the those fumes vent to the air.
when you think you got them all out, then
you go for the gusto and raise temp as high as you want (above 212F of course) for water destillation.
We usually buy Distilled water as it is a great way to leach sodium after eating at a restaurant. There are trace minerals from health food stores that come in a concentrate. 1 Dropper does 8oz. Most minerals can be obtained through a proper diet of veggies but distilled water does suck them out. In a survivalist situation. You could Boil the crap out of one gallon and mix it strained with gallons of distilled water. Osmosis is easily offset is there are even tiny amounts of trace minerals.
Found some answers :
“Distillation will remove from water almost anything, even heavy metals, poisons, bacteria and viruses. However, it does not remove substances that have boiling points at a lower temperature than water. Some of these substances are oils, petroleum, alcohol and similar substances”
So how to get rid of oil particles, if any ?
And this :
“Purified water lacks minerals and ions, such as calcium, which are normally found in potable (drinking) water, and which have important biological functions such as in nervous system homeostasis. Some percentage of our daily consumption of these minerals and ions come from our drinking water.”
So maybe adding some minerals is a good idea, when using it as drinking water. Or compensating by means of some other food source ?
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I like your videos! I was just thinking, try having the hole kag in a vacuum? that woud speed it up!? Thank you!
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IDEA: obtain a small oil cooler radiator such as is used on VW engines. about 6×10 inches. Focus your Fresnel on that small area. Then use photovoltaic to run a small 12V pump and pump water to the radiator slowly, so that when the water enters the radiator it turns to steam instantly. Use a check valve so the process go’s one way. Then run the steam through your coil to condense the steam. Then you can really throw the heat onto the radiator, maybe to 500plus degrees. I bet that would shred!
That would be the right idea. I had several back yard beer guys ask about boiling 5 gallons for their mix. This was to show the challenge of doing that much water.
Let me understand… your goal is to desalinate water right? Why do 5 gallons at a time? I’d do 1 gallon at a time with some kind of drip feeder… and I’d put the water in a copper coil so that it boils MUCH faster… and much safer!
What about using an arched array of fresnel lenses over a series of smaller black painted pipes?
Your desalination strategy is bad. The boiling point increases as you boil down your batch, while thermodynamic efficiency drops.
Try a more natural approach - a vacuum over the tank will lower the vapor pressure of water, thus yielding more water vapor per heat input. Then, capture the water vapor with a cooler-condenser - one of those nifty Peltier deals could drive that.
Desalination is a messy sport, since the salt tends to crust and clog everything.
great video!!
the efficiency problems I see:
- there is no insulation,
- I think it would be better if the condensing coil was always going down so the water doesn’t get “stuck” in the middle of the coil.
do you think it would be possible to make a wind powered desalinisator: use a wind mill (like the one used for pumping bore water) to pump salt water to a high tank, let’s say 10m high, and use a reverse osmosis filter at ground level to desalinate water
Great demo! Why are we burning oil for desalination plants?
I was thinking about balanced reservoirs… as the water moved from the dirty tank(morning side) evaporated into the clean tank (afternoon side)it could move the tanks and the fresnel lens on a heliocentric arc so that the sun’s focus would always be in the ’sweet spot’.
No sun for awhile? Pump clean water, auto fill bobber pump, into the ‘clean side’ so that the balance would always be there and when the sun did come out, you’d have evaporation again. A solar machine with a water balance!
It looks like you have a device that could be used to separate beer from all its impurities.
I was going to say that. You lose way to much heat trying to boil it all at once. Boiling smaller amounts, you could probably distill the whole thing with 1 fresnel lens.
if you take the sweedish sauna idea.. it would probably be one of the most efficient ways to generate steam..
just focus your beams onto a solid piece of metal or a box of rocks and then pour water onto them.. the trick would then be to collect the steam.
Yes, but steaming smaller volumes is way more efficient. I am working on a concept to steam 20 gallons a day using three methods combined. This was just to see if 5 gallons was possible all at one time.
hey man have you done any tests/estimates on how long it would take to get through the whole 5 gallons.. it looks like you could do that in a day or maybe 2.. from the video.
thats quite a lot of clean water from a small space if you had this thing running day after day.
Yes, I think I will wear a ski mask and glasses next time.
neat stuff lots of energy better spf 50 on.
About almost 2 hours to boil the water. And 6 hours for the whole video.
how long did it actually take?
yeah, you’re making Improvements (from part1)
good Job Dan
“So how to get rid of oil particles, if any ?”
That’s easy!!
Technologically, but not labor wise.
Observe:
you raise the tamp of water to about 180F to no more than 190F, (stirring can help the process)
most “spirits” will boil off before water.
That’s how you make Tequila Compadre!! or whiskey pardner!
let the those fumes vent to the air.
when you think you got them all out, then
you go for the gusto and raise temp as high as you want (above 212F of course) for water destillation.
Q-vo!
We usually buy Distilled water as it is a great way to leach sodium after eating at a restaurant. There are trace minerals from health food stores that come in a concentrate. 1 Dropper does 8oz. Most minerals can be obtained through a proper diet of veggies but distilled water does suck them out. In a survivalist situation. You could Boil the crap out of one gallon and mix it strained with gallons of distilled water. Osmosis is easily offset is there are even tiny amounts of trace minerals.
Found some answers :
“Distillation will remove from water almost anything, even heavy metals, poisons, bacteria and viruses. However, it does not remove substances that have boiling points at a lower temperature than water. Some of these substances are oils, petroleum, alcohol and similar substances”
So how to get rid of oil particles, if any ?
And this :
“Purified water lacks minerals and ions, such as calcium, which are normally found in potable (drinking) water, and which have important biological functions such as in nervous system homeostasis. Some percentage of our daily consumption of these minerals and ions come from our drinking water.”
So maybe adding some minerals is a good idea, when using it as drinking water. Or compensating by means of some other food source ?
Hi,
can you repost your last message about oil, I clicked remove vs reply. Youtube has them right on top of each other. Sorry about that.